Its already started, will we see UN blue hats take our guns away?

NRA skeptical of U.S., U.N. arms treaty

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/08/nra-skeptical-of-u-s-u-n-arms-treaty/

I'm with the commenters, this seems like the start of the Government trying to disarm the American people.

guns are for pussies fight like a man!

Shut up Wolf, we have the right to bare arms, there is no need to try and change that and have outsiders try and do it at that. The first step to staving off any type of rebellion is to disarm the people.

they can try and take them cause it will be a cold day in hell if they try and take mine or any other American's guns

Hateinaboxx wrote:

they can try and take them cause it will be a cold day in hell if they try and take mine or any other American's guns

Here, here my friend.

Nahhh nigga we have the right to bear arms! (but seriously, its bear, not bare)


Anyways, Crud them. Nothings scarier than a Texan or a Wisconsinite pissed off, because god damnit we are red necks and love our guns!

Its your main nigga setting this up.

I'll have you know that I actually didn't vote for Obama. I wrote in Aaron Rodgers. Yes, I'm dead serious. It's my vote, why the Crud not? Rodgers would be an amazing president, mostly because he's not an actual politician. However, I agree more with Obama than I do with Romney, hence why I didn't want Romney to win. Do I agree with everything Obama has said/done? Crud that I don't.

Well the Liberal party has gone so far left that they resemble nothing of the way they were back in the day. They border on socialists, and Obamacare is socialist healthcare.

crapgamer wrote:

Well the Liberal party has gone so far left that they resemble nothing of the way they were back in the day. They border on socialists, and Obamacare is socialist healthcare.

Regardless of what we do, we will always be a somewhat socialist state. There has and never will be a pure and true Free Market country

Its never been this bad, not in my lifetime, and it seems like people just are complacent about it, let the Government grow and grow and they depend more and more on them. Bottom line is that socialism doesn't work, history has proven that many times, spreading wealth isn't right in my opinion.

Dont cite history as a reason for why things do and dont work because when Ive done that in the past talking about healthcare and insurance and apparently that isnt acceptable to you lmao.

w01fsk7aag wrote:

Dont cite history as a reason for why things do and dont work because when Ive done that in the past talking about healthcare and insurance and apparently that isnt acceptable to you lmao.

Well when you have the entire history of the world, and you use that as a basis to prove that socialism never works, its a very valid point.

What has happened is that people have become so dependant on our Government, they don't strive to do anything better with their lives. They live in HUD houses, get food stamps and welfare and don't have to lift a finger, the hard working people with small businesses like me end up paying for those people to be lazy. Why would people who get everything handed to them vote out the people handing it to them? Now what those people don't realize is that the free food, healthcare and shelter is the same things prisoners and slaves would get.

We need less Government, not more. You don't raise taxes on small businesses in a recession.

Thats right you raise them on the unbelievably wealthy, not the people who have nothing to give. Which is what romney wanted to do. Good thing Obamas already vetoing any bills extending tax cuts for people making over 250k/y

keep complaining dude only got two years to wait until mid term elections in 2014 for the gop controlled house, if you get the old fuckers out of there legislating things they have only anecdotal knowledge about and put in some people who dont resolve to oppose every policy of obama's no matter what. Clear out the fuckers putting a party above your country.

Dude, you don't seem to understand that business owners are going to lay people off due to not getting tax cuts, in a slow economy, you don't tax anyone. The speaker of the house already said they wont raise anyone's taxes right now.

If business owners like me don't get those tax credits, you fire people and that isn't good for the economy. I think its funny that you try and defend what you don't live and what you don't know. We don't punish people for being successful, we don't take from the people who earned it and give it to the people who refuse to do so.

Perfect example of what I am talking about:
Massive Manufacturing Layoffs Occurring - Manufacturers Waited Until After Election With High Hopes
http://ezinearticles.com/?Massive-Manufacturing-Layoffs-Occurring---Manufacturers-Waited-Until-After-Election-With-High-Hopes&id=7370646

Drop the I got mine attitude and help out the less fortunate than you of your country. The taxes on your business are helping your country, just because you arent personally seeing the benefits doesnt mean its not a benefit.

I scanned the article you posted and couldnt find reasons for the layoffs so could you outline those for me? There are companies out there laying off people simply for the fact obama was reelected, StUfF like this,

http://www.thedailydolt.com/2012/10/09/ceo-threatens-employees-if-obama-is-reelected-youll-be-fired-and-ill-be-in-the-caribbean-sitting-on-the-beach-under-a-palm-tree-retired-with-no-employees-to-worry-about/


Now both sides can twist anything to look like it would work in either sides favor so theres really no point in discussing it any further. There are fundamental differences on why we wont agree about these things so we can end this here. ( or make another post for the last word if you want it)

You realize what you are saying is the premise for socialism right? Spread the wealth around to the less fortunate, it's too bad that the money is going to people who are just lazy and could easily correct their own situations.

Once again, I'm actually living this stuff Wolf. I'm a business man, its hard to believe but that is what it is. I don't make 250k a year, but my taxes have still steadily climbed every year, on Jan 1st they double what they are now.

Basically what you are saying is that in a down economy, tax the business owners who are the ones hiring workers? Have you ever even had a job? I've had to live and struggle for everything I've ever got, and I'll be damned if I think its right to pass my hard earned money around to people who don't work and just choose to live off the Government.

These are companies that have laid off workers in the last couple of days since the election, feel free to look it up. Every business and every American, no matter the income, is about to fall off a "fiscal cliff" literally. Taxes are about to go up for everyone, businesses are just preparing, I have to do it to. So if you need a face to go with what is going on, I just gave you one.

In the past 48 hours, these companies reported layoffs

Westinghouse - 200
Research in Motion Ltd - 3,000
Lightyear Network Solutions - 15
Providence Journal - 23
Hawker Beechcraft - 410
Boeing 61,000
CVPH Medical Center - 17
US Cellular - 980
Commerzbank - 6,000
Iberia - 7,000
Momentive Performance Materials - 150
Brake Parts - 75
Gameforge Berlin - 20
Vestas Wind Systems 1,700
Husqvarna - 390
Ericsson - 14,000
SRA International - 222
PerkinElmer - 75
Majestic Star Casino and Hotel - 80
Center for Hospice NY - 80
Bristol-Myers - 500
Lower Bucks Hospital - 500
Oce North America - 9
Corning United Blood Services Gulf - 150 Atlantic Lottery Corporation - 16
Welch Allyn - 10% of manufacturing work force Dana Holding - 12% of work force
Stryker - approx 5%
Boston Scientific - Unspecific amount
Medtronic - 1,000
Smith & Nephew - 80
Abbott Labs - 550
Covidien - 600
Kinetic Concepts - 300
St. Jude - 300
Hill Rom - 200
Darden Restaurants - 3%
JANCOA - 350
Kroger - 30
ING - 2,350
Caterpillar - 4,000 (Decatur plant)
Alcatel-Lucent - 5,000
Umatilla Chemical 34
Rocketdyne...100
Pepsi - 8,700
Bank of America 30,000
Lockheed Martin... 123,000

All announced layoffs over the past 48 hours.

Correlation=/=Causation. You cant tax people who have nothing to tax. Once again you're thinking selfishly and short term.

Obama: Extend Middle Class Tax Cuts Now - "All we need is action from the House," Obama added. "I've got the pen. I'm ready to sign..."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-calls-on-extending-middle-class-tax-cuts?ref=fpa

PS Hes talking about a real bill not a piece of StUfF omnibus they know he wont accept.

Now here's something I want to hear from you about,

"Businesses with 50 or more employees must provide health insurance or pay a penalty. If the business fails to comply, the penalty is $2,000 for each full-time employee (with a 30-employee deduction.) Additionally, if the coverage offered is too expensive (defined as costing more than 9.5 percent of the employee’s household income), the penalty is $3,000 per employee who must buy insurance with a government subsidy. However, only 200,000 small businesses will be affected by these changes because over 96 percent of small businesses fall below the 50-employee threshold."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/groupthink/2012/08/10/will-obamacare-help-or-hurt-small-businesses/2/

I'm already aware of the penalties from the health insurance, I have about 6 personal friends who are getting their hours cut back because of those and about another 3 who lost their job totally, or will lose them before Jan 1st, so anyone who thinks Obama is doing anything good is full of StUfF.

It affects quite a bit more than what people think, especially since the job market is so StUfF right now already, and now people I know who have degrees/etc who are OUT OF COLLEGE that were basically FORCED to work in Fast Food who have had their hours cut or lost their jobs now.

What's said in the news, by politicians, etc, <> what is actually happening.

Wolf, you are the most naive kid I've ever seen, you sit there and try and tell someone who is living this, what he us living and then you are trying to tell me I'm wrong. Socialism is wrong, so goes America's economy, so goes the rest of the world. Taxing businesses to help pay for a spend-tastic Government who likes to blow 6 trillion in 4 years, and offer socialist policies for lazy people isn't the way to get things done.


Our founding fathers worded the Declaration in a very specific way, they wanted us to limit Government. The Government work for us, not the other way around. Continue to sit there and be an ignorant non American trying to tell me from afar that losing money and paying more and more taxes until I have to shut down is what's "best for America". I at least can start my day with a good laugh, as Americans we are losing more and more economic liberties and the Government is growing and regulating EVERYTHING that makes money.

We were founded on Capitalism, not communism and socialism.

"In capitalism you are free to earn as much or as little as you like. If you want to grow your own food in your own backyard you are free to do so or you can start your own business and try to become wealthy. The point is that you decide for yourself. In communism, however, a group of elites in power decide not only what you do for society, but how much you’re worth doing it.”

I'm not living it and I live in America? I'm working 45-50 hours a week and full time college, and I'm not living it? What do you have to say about that Rush... er Crappy? I don't see any of this that you are talking about. Wake up and smell the roses, Rush Limbaugh isn't always right.

So you don't see anyone suffering or struggling to make it in America? Everything is just fine and dandy and everyone is happy right? Of course you were the one that told me "Everyone in the US can go to college if they want".

Fusion, you are in your 2nd year of college, college that your parents paid for? a car your parents paid for? I have been working since I was 14 and a half years old, moved out at 17 and a half and struggled for everything I've got. I do indeed have family and friends unemployed right now. I do what I can to help, but when you are getting taxed and forced sanctions, there isn't much you can do for all of those affected.

The fact that there are currently 46.68 million Americans on food stamps, which is up over 15% since Obama took office.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/food-stamp-growth-75x-greater-job-creation_660073.html

Somewhere between 75 and 85% of college grads are forced to move back home with their parents because of the economy.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/10/survey-85-of-new-college-grads-moving-back-in-with-mom-and-dad/

If you want to sit there and act like everything is and has been fine, go ahead. I finished my schooling a long time ago, I should be able to work and keep the majority of what I make, this is America, not Europe.

As for Wolf, I think you don't have any right whatsoever to sit in Canada and tell me what is best for me or what is going on here. Just like I wouldn't do that to you.

I'm not even going to continue arguing with you, since you're so ingrained in logical fallacies and refuse to provide any proof that it's not confounding factors that are doing this. You spit statistics out and act as if they are the godsend when in fact they can easily be refuted. Why? Why are you so damn butthurt that Obama lost? It's over crapgamer. You can stop being a basement political analyst, and maybe start doing something about it? Time is money, why are you on this forum arguing, when you can be running your so-called business? A true free-market believer wouldn't waste his time on us.

Typical Liberal response Fusion. they ignored all the facts. I posted true facts from true sites that track statistics. Are you so ignorant and aligned with a political party that you are fine with Government running every aspect of our daily lives? Seriously man, you act as if it was clear cut that Obama has overwhelming support from America, he had almost 10 million less votes overall this time, literally around half the country voted for Romney. 23 states voted Romney, it doesn't really get any more divided than that.

Fusion, when this country gets to the point where I cant voice my opinion over the sitting President, we no longer live in a democracy. We as people need less Government don't you think? I mean why is it that people are so apathetic about our slide into Socialism? The main people cheering that Obama got re-elected were the ones in the Projects or the Welfare and Food Stamp lines.

As for my business, what business now? I'll be looking for work by the end of the fiscal year. So next time you want to spout off about how great you have it, you might want to consider that not everyone is in that situation, not everyone is happy with the President or his socialist policies.

Why is it that Nixon resigned after covering up Watergate, when nobody is killed, Clinton gets Impeached, disbarred and fined for his cover up over Monica Lewinsky, yet Obama gets away with clearly covering up what happened in Libya, not to mention the fact that on November 1st one of America's unmanned drones was shot at while in International waters by Iranian jet fighters, funny that we didn't hear about this until after the election.

So sit there and tell me I'm Rush when I'm actually Independant, I just don't follow blindly and let my rights get taken away.



"It is unethical for any man to tax another man’s home to fund his social agenda. Friends don't do that, your enemies will." - John Taft